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dmiddleton
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« on: May 17, 2011, 04:49:44 AM »

I truly enjoy the “science” behind the training. Smiley  You all are an inspiration, and it sounds like the BPR crew is turning some heads out there.

I have been doing triathlons, marathons and half marathons for about 10 years now and have never really used anything but water on my training and in my races with the occasional gel thrown in.  I have dealt with very few injuries, however, I have had a nagging calf muscle that likes to cramp during a race pace run.

This past year, I met with Chris and did some lactate testing on the run.  He had me change a number of things including my cadence and foot strike.  While working on these things I had to watch my HR and learn to fit my training into a “zone”.  I have had the pleasure of taking a tri clinic with Chris, and during these clinics I have learned a lot more to do with nutrition.  I used to come home after a long run and eat everything in sight.  I now use Eload, emend, gels and the discs during training as well as my clear water and I can honestly say I have never felt better.

During races, in an attempt to not cramp, I would use Gatorade in lieu of water.  I used to get stomach cramps that Peter mentioned in his Salty Dog report.  I never knew that it was due to the fact that I am trying to push too much carbs in and not giving myself enough water.  I always thought I am getting the fluids I need in the Gatorade or even the eload powder and water.

A question I have now is, how do I carry all of what I need in a Half Ironman or even Ironman race?  Chris mentioned 400 calories every 1 ˝ hrs of exercise.  Do you mix 800 calories of powder into one bottle and then have another bottle of just water?
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2011, 06:33:18 AM »

Great question Dan. I will try to be a bit careful with my answer, knowing there is a wide range of potential readers hoping to find a solution to their particular issues. It is important to realize that works for you might not work for your neighbour or training partner, based on your physiologic differences, your past experience, and your own history of training and structural development.

The simple answer is, carry your fuel, collect water at the aid stations. This is the lighter and more efficient version of the "carry EVERYTHING you are going to consume" rule.

As was demonstrated over the past two weeks at events from Utah to Salmon Arm, even some of our most experienced and well-trained athletes have not quite figured it ALL out yet, and I am going to take a modicum of responsibility for not being clear enough with some of them before their races. There are a couple of key points that NEED to be remembered on race day:

1) What you have PLANNED to eat, is not necessarily what you will NEED to eat on race day.
2) What you WANT to consume in terms of caloric intake/hour might not be what you are ABLE to consume.
3) The INTENSITY of the exercise will affect your ability to ABSORB nutrients form your stomach and intestines.
4) The solution to most episodes of low energy in long races is most often a shortage of FUEL, or a problem with pacing. The fuel issue can be dealt with on site as soon as the problem is recognized, whereas the pacing issue is a learning experience that can only be corrected in the future.
5) The two main causes of stomach "cramping" are residual fuel left in the stomach which has yet to be absorbed, or pain secondary to diaphragm weakness. Again, the issue of bloating and true stomach "cramping" (as opposed to diaphragm pain) can be dealt with almost always by simple dilution with large volumes (500ml-1,000ml) of pure water. The diaphragm issue needs rest, recovery, and appropriate training for future events.

So, given that advice, both Ginny and I have slightly different approaches to our race day nutrition, and both of us have been successful with our own plan. I take ALL my calories as either e-load, e-mend, or e-fly, with a combination of each. Depending on the heat expected, I also add e-discs and salt tabs to this mix to help replace the sodium and other salts lost in the sweat. I combine these mixtures into a very concentrated mixture in my bottles, knowing that I will need to collect adequate amounts of water to help with digestion and hydration. I supplement these calories with a number of gels, which are also easy to carry and consume en route. The aid stations provide everything else I need, which is primarily water, and the occasional "treat", like a half banana, energy bar or chocolate bar if the craving hits me. In fact at Ironman Wisconsin, the only items I took from the aid stations were 4 bottles of water, which were consumed through the roughly 5 1/4 hours I spent on the bike. In New Zealand, I was really grateful for a banana and three small Snickers bars that were handed out on the final aid station Smiley

The run will bring you even less ability to absorb nutrients, so a careful intake of calories will really depend on your own personal tolerance and the intensity you plan to run. I alternate between water and coke/gels through the marathon, and have never had any stomach issues. But I recognize this is not the case for everyone.

All the best, bring back your reports from your experiments, and let us know how it goes.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2011, 06:46:23 AM »

Hi Dan
We all do it a little differently. It depends on the race, the course, the temperature etc.

For a 1/2 Iron, this is my preference:
It's about a 2.5-3hr bike for most mortals. So you can get all the calories you need in your bottles on the bike, but I prefer to have the drinks at the correct absorption 'density', then supplement with gels.

- I take two bottles at 200kcal that includes salts. I can drink this with no dilution.
- 1 bottle pure water
- 3 gels

Andrew takes 2 bottles with all the calories and salts that he needs, then takes water at the aid stations to dilute enough. So in a half Iron, he would likely put 400kcal in the bottle, but know that he needs two more of water.

When it's hot, I take a water bottle at every aid station, drink it as I go slowly through the station, dump it before I leave the station, putting the last bit over my head if it's really hot.

At IM, you can either put extra fuel bottles in your special needs bag, or continue to use gels and water from the aid stations. Gatorade has never worked for me. I get gut cramp almost instantly. As you mentioned in your post, when in doubt, take more water. If you are salty sweater, then attaching a salt stick to your bike would be a good idea.

Good luck! I look forward to hearing about your experiences.
Ginny
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2011, 05:18:53 AM »

My main plan for this race was to work out my nutrition as that has plagued me and my sore calf muscles for a number of my previous races. My secondary plan was to enjoy the day, and really make sure I found the time to acknowledge those that came out to watch.  Tertiary plan was to go under 6 hours.  Having never done this distance before, I was not sure what the day would bring.

I had been drinking eload since Tuesday at least one bottle a day as I heard the temperature was going to be warmer than usual. Huh
Woke up at 4:15, had a bagel and peanut butter with banana.  No coffee, AHHH!  Quinn decided that he wanted to help out Chris so he woke up early with me.

Swim:
I arrived in transition at 6 am, giving me lots of time to set up my transition area and get my mind into the race (and go back to the truck to get my bike shoes and pump as I forgot them the first time into transition).  Before the swim I ate half of a nut and raisin bar.  Tried to get to the outside on the swim, but the outside kept moving with me.... Oh well, took off on the swim and as usual took a few minutes to get into an area that I was not being kicked or hit.  It is amazing how many people swim crooked and zig zag in open water.  I guess they need the line on the bottom of the pool to keep them straight.  Got out of the water in 36 minutes, slower than my plan, but I used very little legs as I figured the legs will get the brunt of the workout on the next two events.  Felt really relaxed, enjoying the day.  Saw Tamalee and Emma with a large sign that read “Go Team Middleton”.  Smiley
Bike
I had decided to take all my nutrition in 2 bottles with 4 gels taped to the bike in case I needed them.  After talking with Andrew at the expo, my plan was to drink the eload bottles and then supplement water at the aid stations.  I had two bottles with 2 scoops of Eload Heat Energy, 1 scoop of E-Fly and 4 tablets in each.  Very sweet mixture and was a little hard to get used to at the start.  I managed to drink quite a bit of the first bottle by my first Aid station, and gulped a large quantity of water, and then dumped the rest into my Profile water bottle.  I continued this along the bike, and my stomach never became an issue.  What did become an issue, and has never happened to me before, was the need to have a washroom break.  At the water stations they have outhouses with bike racks so I took advantage of this at one of the stops.  It seems I may have been a little overhyrdrating.  Finished the bike in just under 3 hours, right where I wanted to be.
Run
Once again had the urge to use the washroom (I know too much information).  Started the run and felt great, but within the first km knew that my quad muscles were not going to enjoy this.  They started cramping and tightening up right away.  The first Aid station, I took on Gatorade and a gel as well as some water.  I continued this for the complete run, never really getting into my stride.  Cadence was between 88-92, HR at a nice 150, but stride length was suffering due to the tight quads.  Each of the stations, I took two sponges and drenched both quad muscles in an attempt to make them feel better.  It would work for a short time and then they would cramp again.  At one of the aid stations they had salt tablets and I took a couple of them followed by some water.  The quad muscles never really recovered.  Finished the run in a 2:17, which was slower than I wanted but gives me lots of room for improvement.
I finished in 6:02:22.  Other than my quad muscle problem, I had absolutely nothing else bugging me.  I considered this a victory, I felt my nutrition worked very well, and I did take time to acknowledge friends and family that came to watch.

Thank you very much to Chris, Andrew and Ginny for your input.  I will be doing this race again next year, as I see a lot of room for improvement.
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2011, 02:01:20 AM »

Congratulations on putting together a strong first effort in Oliver Dan!

The cramping quads MAY be a result of a lack of eccentric work in training with the main focus being on improving cadence, and avoiding injury. As you develop more strength, see if you can make it out with Chris to do some preliminary plyometrics, and learn some ways to incorporate some eccentric specific training into your program. The second bit of advice will be to add some short and repetitive brick workouts to the plan (bike/run/bike/run) to help you develop the neuro system in terms of switching from Bike to Run without going into shock.

I am glad the nutrition plan came through, though wonder if there might have been room for some more salt in the mix taking into account the higher than expected temperatures on race day. E-discs are a GREAT back up to leave in transition, as they dissolve easily with very little water, and are fairly tolerable ever if your stomach is full.

As you mentioned, the bathroom breaks are a sure sign of good hydration...nothing to apologize for. Great Job!
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2011, 07:15:52 AM »

I actually meant to type in that I had Achilles Tendinitis in my right Achilles, for which I had two treatments of IMS done and a number of electroshock sort of treatments to my calf muscles.  This hindered any long brick work that I had planned as I did not want to aggravate the Achilles.  I never got a chance to do a 50km ride, followed by a 15km run or something similar to that.  I think that probably had something to do with the cramping quad muscles like you say.

I did get in a number of shorter brick sessions, but nothing with a longer ride first.  Definitely more of my plan for training over the next while.
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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2011, 01:31:17 PM »

Hey Dan,
I think you are selling yourself short - with your Achilles issues and the lack of long bike/run workouts there was always a chance that you would not have the run you wanted. Try and add some of the plyo workouts and the fun, sprinting activities that we did at Gyro and see how that develops.

Well done on the nutrition - peeing is great - nothing to apologize for at all!

See you soon
Chris
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